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June 13, 2011

Hobby Box Break and Review: 2011 Topps Pro Debut

After opening two cases of 2011 Topps Series 2 you would think opening something new would be a welcomed idea. Believe me, the idea was very welcoming, however, upon opening the first pack it felt like a continuation. You may ask yourself what do I mean, so allow me to take you on a tour of 2011 Topps Pro Debut.

Each hobby box contains 24 packs of eight cards and guaranteed two game-used memorabilia cards and two autographs per box. The set consists of 330 base cards, and various insert sets: 45 Single-A All-Stars, 45 Double-A All-Stars, 10 Triple-A All-Stars.

First stop will be the base cards, which one box yielded 163/330 with no duplicates. The base cards are identical to the base set of Topps cards for the majors, so if you like seeing the exact same design on everything you buy it's awesome. If you prefer to be able to tell one set from another, and like to have some distinguishing factors between being a Single-A player on a baseball card and being Derek Jeter on a baseball card, well this set is going to annoy you. Do I like it? Not really.

Why? Well, I get that there was the intention to keep the set in line with the brand, but how many times can they recycle the design? Between this and Bowman/Bowman Draft Picks and Prospects it's giving us FOUR sets of the SAME EXACT CARDS. Many of you voiced that you can't tell the difference between Bowman base and Bowman DPP, well same thing here.

I scanned some of the guys that I recognized easily and that are more popular. Especially a guy such as Mike Trout who many say the only player he is second to in hitting in the system is Bryce Harper.



While I think Gary Sanchez should have been with the players above rather than these guys, I figured I would keep him with the rest of the Yankees. Sanchez is better known for his power than his defense, but who brings up a kid to DH for a career?


Here are the blue parallels which are serial numbered to /309. The first batch are the ones that look awful. How do they expect us to be able to read a blue foil name on the same blue colored banner behind it? I think another team color for either the foil or the banner behind would have been a smart move.



Ohhh wait, some of the blue parallels escaped and look nice. This is how they all should look if you ask me.



There are also gold parallels which are numbered to /50, and I pulled one from the hobby box.



Next up are the inserts- the Single-A, Double-A, and Triple-A All-Star cards. They are all the same except for different background colors. I don't particularly care that they aren't three different designs as they are basically all getting the same point across and could be looked at more as one set than three.




Now for the mojo. While I found this product to be pretty disappointing, the hits seemed to redeem it for me. Would I feel slightly better if I pulled four guys I had never heard of? No, but that wasn't entirely the case here.

Chris Archer
game used jersey card

Mike Moustakas game-used jersey card

Garrett Gould auto

Slade Heathcott auto!!! Wow. This makes me really happy because I have wanted to pick up one of his Bowman Chrome auto's for quite some time but couldn't pull the trigger since I already collect too many players as it is. This really made my day.
Now we will get down to business and fill out the report card for this product.

Design: A? C?

I am honestly not sure what I can give this set because if I gave the Topps Series 1 design an A, how can I really sit here and justify giving this a C? I don't think I can score them that differently, but if no one would think it hypocritical I would tell you this is just a minor league version of Series 1 and from what I understand that is the goal of the product- so yay, A.

However on the flip side of the argument, here is another product with the same design as TWO other previous releases and with some of the same players featured on cards. It's almost like they are trying to flood the market and confuse everyone. So now we have First Year cards out, Rookie Cards, minor league cards that can also be rookie cards but since they aren't marked it isn't a rookie card. Moustakas gets called up and I have 2 of his cards here, in a minor league set. He is now technically a rookie, however since the little logo isn't there... too bad, Marie. Hence the grade- C.

Take from my rant what you will. I think I just gave myself a whole other blog post to write at a later date.

Value: B+

Current prices on the net for this product range anywhere from $50-$65. You get 4 hits in each box, plus some parallels and inserts as well as no duplicates. I think the value is there for the set collector and the hit chaser. You are not overwhelmed with a ton of insert sets, and can probably complete a set with 2-3 boxes or 2 boxes and some trading/singles on eBay. This is a lot cheaper of a gamble on minor league auto's than buying Bowman Jumbos (not that I would know anything about that.... *cries*).

Quality: B/B-

Again, hard to rip a product up when I so highly praised the base set. However, I have a MAJOR problem with the attention to detail, well rather the lack of attention to detail on the blue parallels. As collectors we enjoy being able to read the cards and the team names, and the blue parallels are just impossible to read without contrasting colors.

I do like the fact that the inserts are limited in this set so that there aren't 50 cards of Romine before he ever sets foot in the big leagues.

Overall: (if you just asked me for an overall grade, my personal opinion) C

I honestly found this set to just be plain boring. It's not because I don't like minor league cards or players, because I LOVE Bowman every year despite me saying I won't buy that much of it I always go bananas.

I like chasing the prospect auto's and seeing who I can pull. This set features that same chance, for less money but you are getting an auto that is extremely less desirable in every aspect of collecting. Part of that is due in part by Bowman Chrome auto's have become the be all end all RC for every player. Most people don't really care about RC's anymore unless its the signed Bowman Chrome card.

While at the end of the day you got 4 hits in the box for about $30 less than Bowman, you are walking away with almost novelty auto's. Not that there is anything wrong with that because I am perfectly happy with my Heathcott auto but remember why I am happy about it- because I won't spend the money to have his Bowman auto.

Bottom line, if you chase hits and auto's and can afford the Bowman-buy that. You can pick up what you need from this set on the secondary market.

April 15, 2011

Prices Soaring on Everything

Recently I had posted about our 2011 Gypsy Queen case being delayed until April 27th, and so I began to mill around eBay and Blowout Cards looking at the current case prices on baseball pre-sells and current releases.

Now, I don't know how many of you make a habit of checking prices on occasion but I find myself doing that here and there. I got a message from Flash saying that Tribute was well over $400 per box, I had to go look with my own eyes and sure enough there are boxes for well over that on eBay.

When I went to go see how much Gyspy Queen is currently is currently, I was absolutely amazed. It is currently over $1,200 per case. I sure am happy that we decided on putting a deposit down early on this case, that is for sure.



Here are a couple of more to check out if you want to see how the price is skyrocketing.

- 2011 Bowman

- 2011 Pro Debut (note the card in the picture appears to be a chopped up Aflac auto... what a waste)

- 2011 Heritage

- 2011 Allen & Ginter

The current prices of boxes and cases is a clear indication of what a monopoly over the sport will do to products. I don't feel like the prices are the same way with other sports, but my expertise is very limited to baseball with a little dabbling in other things on occasion. I honestly can't remember boxes being this expensive as pre-sells, except for Bowman. There was a ridiculous mark-up last year because of Strasburg, and this year it is because of Harper. I can visualize it in my head now, thousands upon thousands of base cards, inserts, and parallels from the 2011 Bowman in the garbage because no one cares about those cards. Same thing will happen with Pro Debut.

But $1200 a case for Ginter? I mean really, half the cards are of objects, poor drawings, boring design. What is the draw here? That I could pull an autograph of a boxer? Big freaking deal, that was the reason I only bought a single box of Co-Signers when that was out. Why would I buy a "baseball" product to end up pulling freaking match worn boxing trunks? Dumb. Ginter = dumb and overpriced.

Maybe it's because baseball cards are more popular that the prices are so high. All I know is that the one company producing cards thing is making it incredibly unaffordable unless you find an auction on eBay where people fell asleep, or aren't sniping.

Or maybe I'm just cheap.

April 12, 2011

2011 Topps Pro Debut Info

Today Topps released some new information on the 2011 Topps Pro Debut cards along with the first image of Bryce Harper on a base card. This set appears to mimic the base set of 2011 Topps which I think is a great idea considering how successful sales have been on the product.



Here is the information:

HARPER HIGHLIGHTS 2011 TOPPS PRO DEBUT

Topps, the exclusive producing of Minor League Baseball cards, is confirming that highly-touted prospect Bryce Harper will appear on his very first minor league card in the upcoming
2011 Topps Pro Debut
(6/1). The base card will feature Harper in his Hagerstown Suns uniform. (image attached)

In addition, Topps is seeding a unique 1 of 1 Harper Cut Signature into packs of Pro Debut. The cut signature comes from a baseball used in his first professional game in the Arizona Fall League and features an MLB authenticity hologram.

Pro Debut carries a $3.00 SRP for each 8-card pack and guarantees 2 Autographs and 2 Relics per box!